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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA (fireworks.ai)

877 points by piotrgrabowski · 38 days ago · 451 comments on HN

Article summary

Kimi K3, an open model, is competitive with Fable, a closed model, and when used together with Fable, they achieve state-of-the-art results. The study found that Kimi K3 can be up to 50x lower cost on certain tasks and is cost-optimized for all work types. The article suggests that using a router to select the best model for each task can lead to better performance and lower costs. The combination of Kimi K3 and Fable can unlock their best qualities at the best price.

Main themes

  • AI model comparison
  • Cost optimization
  • Model routing
  • Open vs closed models
  • State-of-the-art performance

What commenters say

  • The development of open models like Kimi K3 will lead to a race to the bottom in terms of cost, benefiting users but potentially harming investors.
  • The use of routers to select the best model for each task is a key factor in achieving state-of-the-art performance and reducing costs.
  • Some commenters believe that open models are not innovative and are simply distilled from closed models, while others argue that open models can still provide unique architectural insights and benefits.
  • The release of open models like Kimi K3 will enable closed labs to distill and learn from them, potentially accelerating their own development.
  • There are concerns about the lack of control over AI models and their potential misuse, with some arguing that this is a more significant issue than the open vs closed model debate.
  • The cost difference between open and closed models is significant, with some open models offering similar performance at a fraction of the cost.
  • The use of open models can dilute the customer base of closed labs and cheapen their offerings, potentially disrupting the market.