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Volkswagen started blocking GrapheneOS users (discuss.grapheneos.org)

786 points by microtonal · 25 days ago · 480 comments on HN

Article summary

Volkswagen has blocked users of GrapheneOS, a custom Android operating system, from using their app, which provides remote-control functionality for their vehicles. The app previously worked on GrapheneOS but was recently blocked through the use of Google's Play Integrity API. This move has sparked a discussion about the balance between security, convenience, and user freedom. The app's functionality is not required to use the vehicle, but it does provide features such as remote start and climate control.

Main themes

  • Custom operating systems
  • App compatibility
  • Security vs convenience
  • User freedom
  • Automotive software regulation

What commenters say

  • Volkswagen's decision to block GrapheneOS users is seen as an overreach of control and a limitation of user freedom.
  • The use of Google's Play Integrity API to block non-certified operating systems is viewed as anti-competitive and unnecessary.
  • Some argue that users should not be allowed to run custom operating systems on their vehicles due to safety concerns and regulatory requirements.
  • Others believe that the infotainment system and engine computer are separate and distinct, and that custom operating systems should be allowed on the infotainment system without compromising safety.
  • There is a concern that manufacturers are using safety as an excuse to keep their systems closed and maintain control over users.
  • The discussion highlights the tension between the desire for convenience and the need for security and safety in automotive software.
  • Some argue that laws and regulations are needed to ensure that manufacturers do not abuse their control over users and their vehicles.
  • The blocking of GrapheneOS users is seen as a symptom of a larger issue of manufacturers exerting too much control over their products and limiting user choice.