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The Pentagon Threatened Pope Leo XIV's Ambassador with the Avignon Papacy (thelettersfromleo.com)

471 points by frm88 · 143 days ago · 309 comments on HN

Article summary

A senior Trump official, Under Secretary of War for Policy Elbridge Colby, lectured Pope Leo XIV's ambassador, Cardinal Christophe Pierre, on American military supremacy during a closed-door meeting at the Pentagon. The meeting allegedly involved a threat referencing the Avignon Papacy, a period when the French Crown used military force to control the Catholic Church. The Vatican has since shelved plans for Pope Leo XIV to visit the United States. The incident has sparked concerns about the relationship between the US government and the Catholic Church.

Main themes

  • US-Vatican relations
  • Trump administration
  • Catholic Church
  • Military power
  • Religion and politics
  • Historical references

What commenters say

  • The US military's actions and the Trump administration's behavior are seen as anti-Christian and hypocritical by some commenters.
  • Excommunicating the US military or its leaders is proposed as a potential response to their actions.
  • The idea that the US military or government would threaten the Vatican or the Pope is viewed as both calculated and foolish by different commenters.
  • Some argue that Trump's supporters are immune to embarrassment and shame, while others believe they are driven by internal anxiety and insecurity.
  • The knowledge of historical religious events and concepts, such as the Avignon Papacy, is seen as both impressive and misguided by different commenters.
  • The power wielded by the Trump administration and its supporters is viewed as a serious concern, regardless of their perceived intelligence or sanity.
  • The relationship between religion and politics is complex, with some commenters arguing that religious people can be extremely knowledgeable about historical events, but also prone to biased interpretations.
  • The Vatican's decision to shelve plans for Pope Leo XIV's visit to the US is seen as a significant response to the Trump administration's actions and a reflection of the complex dynamics between the US government and the Catholic Church.