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Apple Passwords’ generated strong password format (rmondello.com)

436 points by tambourine_man · 658 days ago · 268 comments on HN

Article summary

Apple's generated strong password format is designed to be easier to type on suboptimal keyboard layouts and more memorable for short-term use. The format uses a combination of lowercase characters, syllables, and consonant-vowel-consonant patterns to create 20-character passwords with 71 bits of entropy. The passwords are also filtered against a dictionary of offensive terms to prevent the generation of objectionable passwords. This format is intended to balance security with usability.

Main themes

  • Password security
  • Usability and memorability
  • Entropy and randomness
  • Keyboard layout considerations
  • Password management

What commenters say

  • The Apple password format's use of syllables and consonant-vowel-consonant patterns is a good design choice for balancing security and usability.
  • The format's entropy is lower than a fully random password, but the trade-off is worth it for the increased memorability and typability.
  • Using real words or longer passwords could be an alternative approach to generating strong passwords, but may not be as effective for all users.
  • Password managers can mitigate the need for memorizable passwords, but a strong master password is still necessary for security.
  • The ability to input passwords using a mobile app or other external method can reduce the need for easy-to-type passwords on devices like streaming devices or TVs.
  • Some commenters argue that the Apple password format's limitations, such as the use of a specific character set and structure, could potentially introduce vulnerabilities.
  • Others suggest that the benefits of the Apple password format, such as increased usability and security, outweigh the potential drawbacks.
  • There is disagreement about the importance of memorability for passwords, with some arguing that it is not necessary with password managers, while others believe it is still a valuable feature.