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Chris Lattner left Swift core team (forums.swift.org)

559 points by rayx2022 · 1667 days ago · 487 comments on HN

Article summary

Chris Lattner, the creator of Swift, has left the Swift core team due to a toxic environment in the meetings. He had been contributing to the team as a volunteer since leaving Apple over five years ago. Lattner cited being insulted and yelled at in meetings as the catalyst for his decision to leave. He also felt that his efforts were not being valued and that the team was not willing to address the issues he raised.

Main themes

  • Swift core team dynamics
  • Language design and evolution
  • Community inclusivity
  • Toxic environments in tech
  • Server-side programming with Swift
  • Language maintenance and stability

What commenters say

  • The Swift community is not inclusive and has a toxic environment that drives away valuable contributors.
  • The language has outgrown its original design premises and is now being driven by Apple's interests rather than the community's needs.
  • A language can be successful without constantly adding new features, and sometimes it's better to focus on stability and maintenance.
  • Swift's Automatic Reference Counting (ARC) is not suitable for server-side software due to performance concerns.
  • The decision to leave the core team was not just about personal issues, but also about the direction of the language and the community's dynamics.
  • Some commenters think that forking Swift could be a viable option to create a more community-driven language.
  • Others argue that Swift's current direction is still beneficial for the community, despite its limitations and challenges.