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Upwork asking me for a $12.5k refund as the client was using someone else’s card (alanany.com)

1142 points by DarrenDev · 1713 days ago · 485 comments on HN

Article summary

A freelancer is being asked by Upwork to refund $12,500 due to a client using someone else's card for payment. The freelancer is expected to continue working to pay off the debt. The situation raises questions about the responsibility of freelancing platforms in preventing and handling fraudulent transactions. The discussion revolves around the fairness of this policy and potential alternatives, such as using cryptocurrency for irreversible transactions.

Main themes

  • fraudulent transactions
  • freelancing platforms
  • financial system structure
  • cryptocurrency
  • consumer protection
  • merchant risk
  • transaction reversibility

What commenters say

  • Upwork's policy of asking freelancers to refund money earned from fraudulent transactions is unfair and shifts the risk to the wrong party.
  • The current financial system's use of reversible transactions protects consumers but may encourage crime by shifting the cost to merchants.
  • Freelancers cannot be expected to mitigate the risk of clients using stolen cards, as they do not have access to the necessary information.
  • Using cryptocurrency for transactions could provide a solution by making payments irreversible, but it also raises concerns about protecting consumers in cases of fraud.
  • The responsibility for preventing and handling fraudulent transactions should lie with the platform, not the freelancer.
  • The financial system's structure, including the role of banks and credit card companies, contributes to the problem of fraudulent transactions and their aftermath.
  • Irreversible transactions, such as those offered by cryptocurrency, are not a viable solution due to the potential for irreversible fraud.
  • The focus should be on creating a fair and secure system that protects both consumers and merchants, rather than simply shifting the risk from one party to another.